Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman, hosts of ‘HR’s most dangerous podcast’ talk to Namely CEO Larry Dunivan about diversity hiring, analogue v digital, privilege, and much much more besides. Do keep up at the back.
This episode is a discussion with a true veteran, someone with a long and storied career in HR tech. He’s seen the trends, the long game, the flashes in the pan, and the evolution of product development, sales, and infrastructure. Plus, with that experience you get to say things like this, with confidence:
“People love to talk about it [the HR tech landscape] as if it was the technology that changed. Right? We went from mainframe to client server to the cloud to SAAS, but none of that mattered. It was just really smart people who cared about a lot about serving customers, build better products, thanks to those technology innovations.”
In a world dominated by so much tech talk, we often find business leaders keen to focus on the human capital angle. Is it genuine? Joel Cheeseman gets straight to it:
“Every CEO that we hear talk at conferences and webinars talks about how people are their greatest resource and asset. Do you agree with that? Or do you think it’s a lot of lip service?”
Larry Dunivan: “Listen, I can’t get anything done if I don’t have great people with great motivations and the right skills, so sure. I don’t need to turn it into some flag I carry all day long because at the end of the day, the most important thing is what kind of values do you lead with and how do those values affect people’s behavior, because that will drive their motivation to do great work. And I’m happy to have a B+ player that is wildly motivated and loves what they do.”
A refreshing opinion, and one that maybe could lead a few CHROs to consider what the accepted traits of an A player really amount to. Skills vs motivation? That’s a whole podcast series right there. *furiously makes notes*
Elsewhere, they discuss diversity hiring and how you might deal with pushbacks, they talk the Jekyll and Hyde nature of certain recruitment efforts and of course, the transformative effects of the pandemic.
This recent episode of the Chad & Cheese podcast hits all the marks. Larry Dunivan talked candidly about his wins, his losses and his expectations for our great industry. We may have to poach him for a follow-up chat in 2022.
Check out the podcast above for the full conversation.
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